Showing posts with label website. Show all posts
Showing posts with label website. Show all posts

Thursday, April 6, 2023

Future-Proofing the Past?

Greetings,

Over a year ago I had problems with the hosting service for MedievalCookery.com that caused the site to be overwritten with a an even older backup copy. This led me to move the site to a new host, and in the process many parts of the site were broken.

To complicate matters, I've had health issues that brought much of my work to a screeching halt.  I'm doing a lot better now, but that combined with the recent losses of some notable people in the medieval cooking community has given me a lot to think about.

I started MedievalCookery.com over 20 years ago, and it has grown into what I hope is a useful resource for exploring and spreading information about medieval European cuisine.  While I am still very interested in the subject and have been recently getting back into the research, I must admit to myself that I can no longer devote enough time and energy to keeping the site current.

It's time for a change.  So ... what to do?

My goals in this are as follows:

1. Set up the site with a small, independent stream of income that is sufficient to pay for the web hosting.  The amount needed is currently surprisingly small - about $100 per year.  Affiliate links to sites like Amazon for recommended books can cover some of it, but there would need to be some other source.  Possibly some kind of donation link.  I very much would like to see all of the finances be open to public view.
2. Make changes to the site to make it easier for others in the medieval cooking community to contribute.  More recipes created by site users, user-supplied links to medieval food paintings, recommended books, sources for hard to find spices, etc.  While a lot of this could be handled by a handful of volunteers, it might be worth setting up something more like a wiki.  Maybe also something like a forum?  ... Dunno.
3. Set up some kind of group of volunteers to manage the technical aspects of the site and decide on future changes.  I'm partial to Consensus decision making.

All of the above may lead to legal, financial, and ethical questions that would need to be answered.  I am not a lawyer, financial analyst, or philosopher.  Nor do I have the money to hire them.

None of this is set in stone.  I'd love to hear your thoughts.

- Doc

Tuesday, January 27, 2015

Another Response

Last night I received another email from Crystal ceder. This one was longer (though it was still "formatted" in one big block of text) and made a number of statements that I think are worthy of discussing.  I have summarized them below:

1. She got the recipes from "an anonymous source" and was not aware they were from my MedievalCookery.com. 
2. A friend of hers sent her the recipes to put together in a book. 
3. She just visited MedievalCookery.com and found my recipes came from "multiple cookbooks" but are published under my name. 
4. I claim the recipes as being my own work. 
5. She has seen the recipes on other sites presented as the work of others. (stated twice)
6. She got "many of those recipes from a friend" 
7. She incorrectly assumed that her friend had the legal rights to the recipes. 
8. The book will be removed. (stated twice)
9. Copyright for cookbooks is complicated. 
10. Recipes aren't usually original, and are versions of other recipes or are original. 
11. She is sorry I think the recipes were taken from MedievalCookery.com. 
12. She wasn't making any money off the cookbook anyways. (stated twice)
13. Her friend may have taken the recipes from other sites. 
14. It's not worth emailing back and forth because she's resolved the issue. 
15. She didn't take the recipes from MedievalCookery.com. 
16. The issue is resolved.

First, having read through all three of her emails multiple times, I must say I'm confused about the origin of her book. Her friend, who is an anonymous source, sent her the recipes to put into a book, that Crystal would sell as her (Crystal's) favorite medieval recipes. Either Crystal has trouble organizing her thoughts or her friend is the invisible type that one makes in childhood.

Next there are the statements that suggest the recipes could have been taken from some other source. How about I provide examples of what makes me think they're from my website and let you decide.

Here is the first recipe in her book ...


... and here is a recipe from my website ...


Here is the second recipe in her book...


... and here is a recipe from my website ...


Note how the ingredients, the instructions, and the color text match up exactly. Also note the words "Emma's Day Tart" in the Ember Day Tart recipe.  Emma is my wife's name in our medieval reenactment group.

I think that's pretty clear.  For all 18 of the recipes in the book there is an exact 1-to-1 correspondence to a recipe on my website, and in all cases the wording of the ingredients, the instructions, and the color text are identical - not similar, not close, but completely the same. Whenever I had a photo to go along with a recipe, that photo is included in the book.

As an aside, here's a portion of the book's introduction ...


... and here's an answer from a Yahoo! Answers page on the question "What did Kings eat in the Medieval Ages?" ...


See the part that I circled in red?  That's the result of Yahoo! erroneously censoring the word "cock". Note that I make no claim that I wrote this text (the poster copied it from a book and noted the source at the end). I just think it's pretty funny for someone to steal an entire book intro and not clean up typos from the source.

As to Crystal's repeated claims that she's seen the recipes on other websites, and the implication that I've stolen them from other sites, there is a possibility of the former but not of the latter. I have been very careful to get permission and give credit any time MedievalCookery.com is hosting recipes written by someone else.

I have come across situations where my recipes have been posted to recipe-sharing websites. When that happens I have sent copyright violation notices to the site and had the recipe removed. Occasionally I'll receive a request to reprint a recipe, but in those cases I always require full credit and a link to the original be provided.

To be fair, there are parts of the recipes on my website that are someone else's work, and which will often show up all over the web. Those parts are the original source material I based my work upon, all of which were published hundreds of years ago and are now in the public domain. It is interesting to note though that I always identify where the source material came from - it's an important aspect of research that allows others to evaluate how closely I've re-created the medieval dish. Take a look back at those screen shots. See the part that's marked "Source:"?  Do you see the same thing in Crystal's book?

I'll be writing another blog post soon about medieval recipes, copyright, and public domain sources (this post is already way too long) that will address Crystal's statements on the subject. Maybe she will read it. Hopefully she won't copy it into a book.


Monday, January 26, 2015

Julie Smith Responds!

I just received two short emails from Crystal ceder [sic] (a.k.a. "Julie Smith" ?), and as I suspected, she doesn't seem to think she did anything wrong.

Update:  I originally posted the entire text of Crystal's emails, but after checking on the copyright laws regarding emails I decided that doing so was iffy in both legal and ethical terms. So I've replaced the content of her messages in this post with the gist of the communication.

-=-=-

Subject: no subject
From: Crystal ceder
Date: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 12:43 pm 
[Crystal stated that she received the recipes by email from "a friend" and created the medieval cookbook as a favor for her. She also seemed to feel that she was being punished unfairly. She then went on to say that my recipes would be removed from the cookbook when her account was reinstated. Note that I never asked Amazon to block her account, but only that the book be removed from their catalog. Finally, Crystal stated that I copied some of the recipes from other sources, but did not go into specifics.]

-=-=-

Subject: RE:
From: "Daniel Myers"
Date: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 1:30 pm 
Hi Crystal, 
I'm really curious which of the recipes you think aren't mine. I still
have the copy of your ebook, and the ingredients and method for every
single recipe were taken directly from my website. Please let me know
which sources you think the recipes came from as they may also be
violating my copyright. 
The fact that you did this for a friend does not make any difference.
The fact that someone emailed something to you does not make it
copyright free, and presenting the work of others as being your own is
plagiarism. 
Regards, 
Daniel Myers
MedievalCookery.com

[a list of recipes from her cookbook and my corresponding web pages followed - they can be seen in my previous post on this matter]

-=-=-

Subject: no subject
From: Crystal ceder
Date: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 12:46 pm 
[Crystal's second email took the form of a brief postscript to the first. She said she'd looked through my website and that many of my recipes were stolen from other "medieval cookbooks". Again she did not provide specifics. She then implied that I was being hypocritical for saying what she did was wrong.

-=-=-

Subject: RE:
From: "Daniel Myers"
Date: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 1:34 pm 
Hi again, 
I'm very surprised to hear you say that. Can you provide an example of
which recipe you think is stolen?  
What made your situation wrong was that you plagiarized by presenting
someone else's work as your own and that you violated copyright laws by
including copyrighted material without permission. 
Regards, 
Daniel Myers
MedievalCookery.com

Wednesday, January 14, 2015

Theft by Cut and Paste

I don't understand people.

What makes someone think that it's acceptable to take a bunch of copyrighted stuff from the internet and use it to make an e-book to sell on Amazon.com?

They have to know what they're doing is wrong, don't they?  I mean, part of the process of e-publishing involves checking a box that says you have the rights to publish the submitted material. Are they too dumb to understand the basic concept of intellectual property and copyright?

In this particular case, Royal Kitchen: medieval recipes, by julie smith consists almost entirely of recipes and images copied directly from my website.  The "author" didn't even take the time to edit the material. Cut, Paste, Published!



So here's the thing, you want to see exactly what's in this book? No problem. Here, I'll give it to you for free:
Introduction 
Blancmanger 
Ember Day Tart 
Cormarye 
Pegions Stewed 
Mawmeny 
Pety Pernauntes 
Chike endored 
Rice Lombard 
Pigge or Chiken in Sauge 
Onion and Parsley Salad 
Pynade 
Quynces or Wardones in Paast 
Applemoyse 
A Dishe of Artechokes 
Peach Tart 
To Make Pyes 
Humbles of a Deere 
Conserve of Orenges

Other than four short sentences added at the end of the intro, that's the entire book.  Hey!  I just saved you $3.99.

I won't post the link to Amazon though because it would be pointless. They tend to pull down stuff like this pretty quickly after being notified.


[Update - 1/19/2015:  I just got an email from Amazon saying that the book in question is being pulled from all of their websites. - DMM]